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Saturday, October 31, 2015
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65 Comments:
Does Yale ever stop the other team on 3rd down?
Nice scheduling by the Ivy League: Its Super Bowl last night. It's Toilet Bowl today
Time to UChicago the program.
This is not piling on because I have been consistently critical of Reno (and said on Oct. 23 on this blog that looking past Columbia when you have a team this bad was naive) but here is what just happened: He just got dominated in all phases by Columbia. Columbia. Are we still going to talk about progress and staying the course and injuries and youth and patience and hey we have four wins and blah blah blah? Are we now going to say "Hey, well Columbia is not that bad." How many ways can you defend this guy? That was an unmitigated disaster and his team is not only bad, it's unwatchable and will not win another game this year. Some people on this blog expressed concern about rebuilding again (as though Reno built anything anyway as opposed to winning with the tail end of the Williams recruits) As of today, this is now true: Yale is the worst team in the Ivy League. Time to start over.
I've seen Yale lose by more points many times before, but I have never seen them lose so badly --nor have I have ever felt so badly watching them.
Epic fail on just about every level (all things considered, the defense DID play well).
Worst loss in the history of yale football. Time to buy out Reno and move on.
3:51 of course you are piling on. Hater.
6:17 Worst losses just in my lifetime.
Harvard 1974
Harvard 1979
Harvard 1989
Harvard 2005
Harvard 2007
Harvard 2014
Princeton 1966
Princeton 1981
Brown 1999
Most inept offensive performance, maybe
One question: Is anyone starting to miss Carbury, Chism, Varga, Wallace, Deon, Cook, Cazzetta?? 8-2 season and not Reno recruits. Enough said.
We hired a coach with no head coaching experience. What do you expect?
Come on this is not at all about recruiting you pathetic human being.!! This is about attrition, about playing 2nd, 3rd and 4th stringers. It shows this is a team not playing it's best Because of TALENT and that alone.
Columbia is a good team coached by a Coaches Coach. But I like the fact that Reno benched Roberts, I believe he should play Chapel and Moore so that they get used to game time playing and decision making.
9:pm "Columbia is a good team??" post on this blog again when the drugs wear off!
9:pm I agree with 9:30 you have to be on drugs it's all about recruiting.. recruiting Talent! and that clearly has NOT been done with all the talk of the great Reno recruiting (or is it the great and powerful Oz) there should be nothing but Talent waiting on the sidelines to be "the next man up." WHERE ARE THEY!?
9:00 Seems to me it's about coaching. Period. If, as you suggest, it's because the 1st string is hurt, that's a coaching problem as well. If the players were properly conditioned, etc. there would not be so many injuries.
i agree with 9:38
9:pm FYI..Columbia (that good team) has not won in the Yale bowl since 1996 and just held Yale to 120 yards of total offense NEGATIVE 14 rushing yards and 1 of 13 3rd down conversions But don't let those stats go to Your Pathetic Head, that doesn't mean Columbia is a good team. It means Yale is a bad one.
When a head coach talks about injuries as an excuse, he should be fired. Every team in the country has injuries. It's a huge part of the game.
Every single person who posted after 9:00 pm Are the mothers of The Yale players.? Because you sound ridiculous. Yes in fact Columbia is a good team they almost beat Dartmouth, Fordham and yes they have a better Coaching staff. Which 9:00 pm alluded too.
Columbia Defense. Looked like a formidable presence. Why say they don't thats delusional.
Yale D got gassed , Yale offense looked tired with Roberts or any of the qbs for that matter. So yes Columbia against Yale looked really good you twits.
I agree with 10:21 pm
Last week, near the end of the first quarter of the Penn game, with Yale up 10-0 and looking for all the world like they going to make it 17-0, I was thinking to myself, "Damn, this team might actually come off this godforsaken month-long road exile with a 5-1 record." If they did, I thought, it would be an achievement, given the adversity they'd faced this year, at least on par with last year's win over Army.
Then Roberts throws that interception deep in the Red Zone. In what seemed the blink of an eye, the tide of the game turned. Now it looks like it may have turned the tide of the entire season. Realistically, they might not win another game.
What bothered me today wasn't so much that they got beat. I have seen Yale lose before; I've seen them lose worse and I've seen them lose to worse teams (or at least to teams which, on paper, looked significant times less talented).
But today, besides being outplayed and overmatched (by a 1-win team!) --which happens-- they looked confused, poorly coached and undisciplined. Worse, they looked flat and uninspired. After a while, the offense played like it simply did not believe in itself. They looked beaten long before the game was over.
And that's disturbing. I haven't seen much of that before. And it unsettling.
Barring a turnaround of heroic proportions, the next three weeks might get very ugly.
I agree with that 10:55 pm
Reno is clearly not the coach to take Yale to the next level. He's average and had no plan. What is his role on the team? A former special teams coordinator and secondary coach. We have a pathetic secondary that gets worse by the game and our special teams is not good. Recruiting wise we still get Harvard's rejects. The program is on a downhill slide.
If Conlin was a good coach he would be working for the Philadpehia Eagles with the rest of the UNH coaches. He claims to be a Chip Kelly guy but he's not and at Yale struggling to get a first down. This offense is garbage
10:21 Columbia is not a good team but much better than they have been for sure.
Beckett is another brain dead Athletic Director who got fooled by a used car salesman who sold him on turning the program around. He's going to set this program back 7 years. He sold the program on guys like candler rich and mason friedline who are so below average and could care less about football. Reno needs to start kicking kids off the team and getting players who care about football. Enough of the overhyped guys who don't practice and don't care.
Reno won games with Tom Williams recruits and has done a terrible job recruiting. Hasn't done a great job coaching either.
i don't want to join the main argument because i haven't seen the team play, just followed results. i have nothing to add to the argument due to my ignorance on the matter; i really don't know much about reno, never met the guy, never heard him speak, never spoken with people who know him well. i'm as disappointed as anyone by current results, but i'm certainly not able to put my finger on the reasons because i just don't know. good coach, bad coach, too inexperienced, right guy for the job, the evil, heartless incompetent some on this board paint him to be, a young coach with a great future.... i don't have any idea one way or another.
one thing of which i am absolutely certain: the comment at 12:17AM sickens me.
you're talking about young kids playing ivy league football, who are not on athletic scholarship, who like all kids at that age are still maturing and learning what it means to be an adult. nobody at this level of sports deserves to be the subject of that kind of statement. how on earth can you know the motivations and true efforts of the two kids you chose to mention by name? shame on you! what is wrong with you? i don't know candler rich or mason friedline, and wouldn't know them if i bumped into them on the street, but come on. even if you were right, and i so sincerely hope you are not, to put that out is pure cowardice and marks you as a reprehensible cretin. i pity you, you small man.
i am going to stop here before i start trolling the blackest depths of my vocabulary as i'm running the risk of dipping into george carlin's seven dirty words, and i'd rather not stoop to that.
I'm afraid this will be a lost season for Yale due to all the injuries. However, that does not absolve Reno from accountability. He did not recruit strategically to be able to withstand this waive of injuries. He only had two players recruited as running backs on the roster to start this year (Rich and Salter). I expressed my concerns about this lack of running back depth on this and other boards last winter. If I could see this coming Reno certainly should have. Of course no team can run the ball when we they have a wide receiver and a defensive back playing running back out of position. (Reuland and Locke ) It's this lack of running back depth that has caused Yale to rely too heavily on the pass this season. That allowed defenses to key on the passing game which has caused all the receiver injuries. Reno should have learned from the QB debacle of 2012 and recruited more running backs last year. Instead he recruited an abundance of TE and DE where we already had depth. Hopefully, he will finally learn to recruit a balanced roster going forward.
9:26 GOD Willing there will be no going forward for Reno!
I still have full faith in Reno. He is young and still learning. Give him a few more years and I believe he will deliver an Ivy championship. To turn this around more quickly Yale needs to find a solid FBS running back transfer for next year like they did in Rashaad Batholomew in 1998.
10:03 you sir are delusional....
12:17 you suck. Calling out issues that the whole team has on Friedline and Rich are preposterous. All that are involved are at fault for things not going right. However if you had any character (which you clearly do not) you would keep your rants specific to the adults involved (the coaching staff) not the NON SCHOLARSHIPPED players…and some of who are INJURED!!! YOU 12:17 are the lowest of the LOW.
Everyone has the right to say what they want, clearly. However recruiting could not have prepared us for these type of injures. I understand what you are trying to say Son of Eli. Even if we had “Recruited RB’s” in the game yesterday we would have been down to our 3rd and 4th backs if we weren’t using Reuland or Locke. No team in the country is as productive when they are down to their 3rd and 4th team guys, at any position. We had to deal with that at more than one position. Getting a solid "FBS" running back would be great, but unlikely. I don't know if there are any "solid FBS" RB's in all of the Ivy's. Those are hard to come by.
Offensively all around we were just not good yesterday. Some of the problems were problems that have existed throughout the year, some were new. You can say that Columbia is horrendous if you want. Yet if you know football you will see they are definitely better this year and on the rise with Bagnoli and company. Last weekend they held the second best team in the Ivy in Dartmouth to only 13 points (as they scored at least 34 points in every prior game). Their DC has been a coach for 20+ years and spent most of his coaching career in the NFL. They are good and defended us great.
I agree that our guys not only played poorly yesterday but they played uninspired and they looked discouraged and lost at times. No energy and not much hope, none of these things are good. This (for the most part) was offensively also. The defense did great, but has also had their lapses throughout the season. These types of things fall on the coaching staff. The coaching staff needs to do something to put forth a better product on the field the next few weeks. Losses are definitely the biggest issues. However the product that is put out on the field (which most times dictates the wins and losses) is more important though. Yesterday’s product was as bad as I have seen it in the last two years. If that does not improve in the next few weeks the coaches are to blame there. They cannot control injuries, however they need to inspire the entire roster, and work their asses off to improve whatever is going to be on the field to put forth a better product. I surely hope to see that improve in the next few weeks, because if t doesn’t I agree that it is going to be very hard to win any of our reaming games.
TNC
Ad hominem attacks are so common on this board. I guess it's because everybody posts anonymously. How about a discussion on the merits?
Columbia is not a "good team." They are the same lousy team they have been for years who went out and got Al Bagnoli. And now they are a competitive team - in one year. Since he hasn't had any time to recruit anyone, the extent to which they have improved is the extent to which a real coach matters. Columbia has a really good coach. Yale does not. The "haters" to me are the people who want to keep this guy and continue to watch this thing spiral. Here's my conspiracy theory: You Reno supporters must be the secret Harvard fans. Keeping him here is the best way to tick one Ivy opponent off your list of teams to be concerned about.
Thank you for your thoughtful response TNC, unlike 10:03's. But I think a running back transfer of solid FBS quality is out there. Consider Varga as an example. I know he was from Canada, and not the FBS, but no one whould argue that he wasn't FBS quality. I already mentioned the Rashaad Bartholomew as an example of an FBS transfer at RB. He was a transfer from Air Force. Yale has recently gotten FBS transfers at other key positions: Witt at QB (Nebraska), Roberts QB (Clemson), Hines WR (NC ST.). I think it's possible to find good RB transfer out there.
I meant unlike 10:05's. 10:03 was me :)
So a bad team that is playing well right now, not a good team? And if they become a good team within the next games and on into the next years then they will “become” good and were not now? 10:17 AM you are as big of a moron as anyone who posts on here. You have no idea what you are talking about. You are obviously one of these idiots with a Reno ax to grind who has come out of the wood works now that things are not as good for us. Have fun with this and all the other Yale losses. While you are at it how about identifying yourself?
I agree with 10:30, so add me to the list of the delusional. Remember how long it took the current demi-gods (Murphy and Teevens) to get their acts together. And no, I am not a Harvard mole, nor am I related by blood or marriage to Tony Reno or any of his creditors.
Haha!! 11:00 AM that was funny, and a good one. Not exactly what I was thinking, but similar none the less. Bagloni is a good coach, and he is also new. None of us know what kind of players are on that roster; but I’ll bet some pretty good ones. We all know a new coach brings in new energy wherever he goes. The staff at Columbia is doing a nice job with obviously some good players (QB is a Florida transfer). They are definitely much competitive, and that is factual.
Son of Eli, I now understand where you were coming from. That sounds like a feasible scenario and one that may help us out. If that is the case I’d love to see some of those transfers on the OL as well, as they would also definitely help. Here’s to hoping.
TNC
IMHO, at this point, Roberts has pretty much reached the end of his leash. Chapple looks a little lost out there as well. The younger guys should definitely get some time in order to develop for next year, but what about Scott? If Yale wants to right the ship for the remainder of the season, I think Scott would provide a much needed shot in the arm. He has experience and, when called upon, has consistently delivered, while demonstrating leadership skills and poise. We're thirsty for some leadership and poise out there. Just a thought......
We need senior leadership that will inspire the team to come onto the field with confidence and looking forward to winning! They seem to drag themselves onto the field afraid of losing.
I'll say this about those who fear the Reno supporters are actually Harvard moles.
(1) Harvard doesn't worry about Yale the way that Yale obsesses with Harvard. The Cantab fans don't worry about who is the coach at Yale. Harvard worries about winning championships, not just dispensing with Yale along the way to championships.
(2) In the interest of continuing to win many championships in the future, Tim Murphy might just be clever enough to ease up on Tony Reno in this year's Game. No need to blow out Yale when a less embarrassing margin of victory still gets the job done. Murphy is smart enough to realize that Reno's tide crested with the graduation of Tyler Varga. Yale is all downhill from here and keeping Reno in New Haven makes Murphy's job easier in the future.
8:08 has to be O from Voy. Poorly written and provocative, as always.
Idk. That was an embarrassing loss. I had low expectations for the rest of the season, but didn't think we'd actually lose to Columbia. Our offense is atrocious. We are actually worse than in 2012 when Varga just ran the ball from the wildcat position.
Reno is fine. Our athletes are great. But we need to develop our players better so that they aren't injured as badly, and make sure that our backups are ready to be competitive when their names are called. That's what Harvard seems to do well. They lose players, but keep reloading and everyone seems to know their roles and go make plays. No one super transfer is going to solve our problems. The best FBS running back would probably struggle with our current offensive line. Morgan Roberts seems to be off, and I don't know if he's playing injured or its a confidence thing, but our line was being shredded last weekend and he was being sacked every drive.
I think we'll get some big help with this year's recruiting class with some big linemen. Andrew Grinde the RB from Montana looks pretty phenomenal.
In defense of Morgan Roberts for all you football know it all's, go out to a busy highway and stand in the middle with your eyes closed. You know your going to get run over it's just a matter when. Now suit up and play QB for Yale behind the current offensive line. Same thing. I don't care Peyton Manning was Yale's QB the results would be the same!
What amazes me is that if you look at Columbia at the end of last season, they certainly didn't have a lot of all stars returning. So are their current players all transfers and freshmen? Of course not, but what happened to make them so much better?
Boy what happen Sat. Myself and are group have been watching yale football for a long time .That was hard to watch. Embarrassing not only for the fans but for the players and coaches.We all know about the injuries to the team next man up is not working. Changes have to be made now or the season is over.Would like to see Logan Scott play QB these next three games. The players respond to him and he gets the job done.But with this offense line he could have trouble just like Roberts.No energy during the game nothing positive on off. The def was ok. Could it be the play calling i think so .Coach we all no where the ball is going we only have three running plays, Open the play book. The spread is a passing off its not working can we try something else the last few games .Put Roberts under center run some option plays misdirection plays do something that will help the off.Please do not say its to late to make changes that crap Do it or the season is over. One last thing off lineman like to block.They like smash mouth football blood every were being physical blood on there pants. Not playing paddy cake with def lineman on passing plays .Maybe if they had more experience blocking for running plays we have a better OFF.
We'll see what kind of coach Conlin is the next couple of weeks. He coaches the OL and is OC. Injuries require adjustments. He has made no adjustments at all to the personnel currently available. If his mentality is that of a plug and play system guy, then we are really in trouble. Ask chip Kelly how that's working out in Philly. I feel for Roberts. The best QBs in the game struggle without a good OL. Look at Luck in Indy and Stafford in Detroit. Again we need some ADJUSTMENTS if we don't have any better/other personnel.
7:31 You are clueless!
What's the plan moving forward? That loss on Saturday was the worst one in a decade. If the excuse is injuries or talk about next years recruiting class then let's part ways with Reno today. How is the Oline this bad right now? We have recruited fairly talented kids across the board. Is it coaching? Why hasn't the secondary improved a lick in 4 years. Is it scheme? Time for answers!
Bring back Jack Sidlecki.
No 12:09 PM, YOU are clueless. Yes I agree that Conlin needs to make some adjustments. However , the first adjustment that needs to be made is to the O-line to get them to be able to block someone. Then whoever you put back at QB (and someone else should definitely get a shot at this point) at least has a chance. If that unit can not be at least solid then nothing is going to improve anywhere. Once it does then the entire offense will be more solid and lead to things getting a little better. The DB's do need to improve against the ball in the air on defense. We also need to get a PASS RUSH from the DL and not have the only pressure we can provide come from blitzing LB's. There are a few things that need to happen. First off the guys inside (the staff) need to work on our boys morale and energy and get them to play INSPIRED football. Then they need to adequately prepare the reserves and INSPIRE them to play like close to starters (or as close as they can) when they are in the game. Then we can work on our structural issues. Because playing with this many injuries is a hard task for anyone to handle. Let's go Eli's, get it going
Who's currently not playing on the Oline? What starters are out?
I see a lot of comments about all the injury's and I know it has been brought up on this blog before but where are all the fantastic players Reno has supposedly been recruiting? Where? 7:31 9:45 11:33 are all spot on and I agree with 7:31 Morgan Roberts or any other QB behind the current offensive line does not stand a chance. As far as the current Coaches inspiring... the players have to have confidence and respect for them and it would not surprise me to find out they do not because that's how they are playing. Take a look at the team that just embarrassed Yale. Same team as last year But a coach you can have respect and confidence in.
Yale has enough talent to win. The product on the field is under achieving and the coaches allow it.
It's hard to watch -players? coaches?
Why were there so many instances of confusion on OFF/DEF during game? inexperienced backups getting time or muddled calls?
Terrible special teams - our fake punt and allowing the Lions fake FG
I cannot diagram a play BUT even to my untrained eye we seem predictable and without diversity on offense - how many 2nd and long and third and longs do we need to face to get the picture. Maybe with balanced success on both sides of the ball we could win but after seeing the offense in person I'm going back to the radio
Was this the '85 Bears defense Yale was up against? A lot of us had such high hopes for this season. It looks like the Penn loss, along with all the injuries, signaled , once again: "wait till next year".
--sigh--
We have enough talent to win and certainly enough talent to beat Columbia. I do think Reno is recruiting better kids but this staff is incapable of coaching. Kids are not getting better. Some of the Juniors and Seniors were better players as Freshman. The Secondary has been struggling for 4 years and Reno is a DB coach. Something needs to change because it's going downhill in a hurry.
2:56 Cut uninspired BS! Players are plenty dedicated and inspired. Poor execution and red zone turnovers deflate football teams. Don't mistake uninspired for deflated. QB has not had a good year. Changes are necessary. Yale has many outstanding players and this will be demonstrated over the next few years. Keep the faith Yale nation!
Bring back Coach Sid and Coach Flanders.
the comments from 7:20PM are spot on.
Idle musing, perhaps the punt returner should be playing offense.
As a parent of a former player, this is really sad to see. Clearly, this loss has struck a raw nerve. Perhaps, it is just the result of a lot of questionable decisions: recruiting, offensive and defensive schemes, talent evaluation, hitting too much practice, and/or motivating player to reach their potential. I have no inside baseball. Let's be clear, however, the players are not to blame. They came to Yale to get a great education (which they will) and to win an Ivy League Championship, and at a minimum be competitive like last year. And to be transparent, I'm not a Reno fan. I feel for the parents of juniors and seniors - been there. Say what you want about Harvard, they have a system that works, and their upperclassmen carry the day. They get coached up and move up to being starters with an occasional standouts that play early. In my opinion, Reno has been more focused on playing guys early to make a point in the recruiting wars with other colleges than he is on bringing in players to learn how to play in a system - whatever that is. I always thought you get players that fit your system rather than just get players based upon ESPN rankings. He does not give young players a chance to develop. And putting that aside, the optics of the way he manages players leaves something to be desired. In the Penn game, the announcers said that only 3 seniors were starting. Is that because of injuries, where they on the bench, or did they quit? I have no clue if Yale will start over with another coach but either way, Yale is a long way from beating Harvard, and that really ___!
I said this over 3 years ago. All these injuries every season are due to having too physical of practices during the season.
When your body is fatigued, your form breaks down, when your form is broken down, your body is in the wrong position on contact.
Time proves all things, and time has proven that just about everything I said about Reno is correct. Time to cut bait and move on.
TruthTeller
What a bunch of Two faced forked tongued devils, sorry I wasn't able to join this hen house sooner than now. But enough is enough.!!! You are nothing but arm chair quaterbacks ,that don't have a lick a sense between you.
It is a fact that this season got a away with the amount injuries.The moron comparing Yale to ND well should slap your momma for giving you birth boy.Reno has the athletes but the depth still needs.to be developed.
Now let me spell out something to vile pole cats,thats a skunk to you who do not know what a pole cat is. Tim Murphy, took him about 6 years to get his team up to par. Buddy Teevens took him a bit longer.But he will rocket back to earth after this season 9 years ,Reno is on the same path..He has a lot to learn.But I reckon i would keep this young man right were he is. I would give another 4 years to get things going.
Im not so concerned about this season .But I am already looking forward to next year
You have some big surprises in store for this team. You have no idea what is coming around the corner. Have patience and respect or I'll get on you quick, with my hickory stick.!!! Go Yale. Jon Harris
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