Linebacker Calvin Chandler has decommitted from Yale and will go to Stanford. Rivals reported the 6-2, 220-pound recruit from Washington is accepting a walk-on offer from the Cardinal.
Son, if you are getting financial aid at Yale and you passed that up to walk-on at Stanford, you are a bigger fool than your 220lb frame. Never ever give up the bird in hand for none in the bush. Hope this is not a very expensive lesson for you and your family?
sounds like you're pretty upset about losing him? doubt he had a "bird in the hand"- financial aid at Yale is hard to qualify for, unless of course, you make less than $100,000... If he is good enough for Stanford, he would have been bored with Yale football. Unfortunately, it's going to take us a couple of years to get things going. Sure, we are disappointed he left and yes, he could have made an impact, but what do we do about it? Let's be classy. wish the kid well, and move on. You certainly don't sound like someone associated with Yale or Yale football. We're better than that.
Who can blame the kid, he had some great choices and he chose to spend the next 4 years
Quite honestly, you're the one sounding like a "fool". We have a great class of kids- 29 freshman, at least half of them are probably great athletes. Both, Yale and Stanford have great endowments,(Stanford by the way, just raised $1.035 Billion in fundraising last year). If the kid qualified for financial aid at Yale, he also will qualify for financial aid at Stanford. Let's be honest, all Yale football players are essentially "preferred walk ons", there are no Ivy League athletic scholarships available. Essentially, every athlete at an Ivy League is a "preferred walk on" and every preferred walk on can apply for financial aid. Before you judge others and make us all look bad, get the facts straight. Good luck to Chandler. I really liked his closing speed and I really wanted him to be a Bulldog, but we don't have to be jerks about it. Let's be happy for the kids we have and let's hope for a better season!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't every Ivy League athlete a "preferred walk on"? Unless I'm missing something, there are NO athletic scholarships given, only financial aid, if they qualify. Who knows, maybe he has a chance at a scholarship from Stanford down the road, or better financial aid? But, who knows? Whatever the reason, it must have been pretty compelling. Regardless, we probably wouldn't be losing guys if we had a winning team. Go Bulldogs!
He opted for better weather, better coaching and much better football at an equally good academic institution. The 3:17 comment must have been from an sad sack. As said by another in this string, does not act like someone (who should be)associated with Yale football.
Nothing like $250K+ in debt for your education to change your opinion. If a Yale and Stanford education are viewed as equal then it is a no brainer where you should go. Show me the money! Those that disagree I would be happy to take the money off your hands!
Of course, a Yale/Stanford/(Harvard) education are worth it. (This isn't the debate.) Many graduates start out with entry level jobs paying $120,000...it won't take too long to pay off college debt at that rate. The connections these student athletes make, the knowledge that they gain and the fact that they can handle academics and a college level sport, helps them achieve greatness in life! I have nothing but admiration for kids who strive to become their best. Let's face it, any kid who's admitted into this caliber of school (Yale/Stanford/Harvard/etc...) and is also committed to play a sport is a high caliber kid!
Blah, Blah ... The reason Ivy graduates get good paying jobs is because the majority come from higher income backgrounds and connections to daddy's company network. Stop being foolish, the stuff they learn at school is the same stuff that is taught at every school. Money is a huge factor in the lives of those that have little or none! To advise those with marginal means to get in pretty serious debt is just plain wrong!
Well, you're right. There is a place for everyone. This might not be the place for you, or for those that can't qualify academically. This year, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, have had record numbers of applicants. The admittance rates range from 5.7-7.1%...so, obviously, these schools are highly selective. Most who apply (93-95%) do not get in...Therefore, the vast majority of people you are worried about will not attend.
But, the topic, before it was hijacked, was on student athletes...how it became diverted to the "haves vs the have nots" will remain a mystery!! Apparently, there's someone bitter over the fact that premium education comes with a premium price tag. Like I said, these schools aren't for everyone. That's why we live in a great country that offers state colleges, community colleges and on line colleges. Take your pick!
A few facts: 1) Yale's financial aid is intended to allow students to graduate with zero debt. A parent's contribution is based on a formula that determines what they can afford to pay. If the parents make less than $60k per year there is no cost to attend Yale. Parents earning $200k per year pay around $20k per year. 2) a recruited athlete cannot receive financial aid and play on the football team. Many preferred walk-ons are not technically recruited so could receive financial aid. Once they actually play in a game they would count against the school's scholarship allotment. Not knowing this kid's financial situation we cannot know what the financial cost is for him to walk on at Stanford vs. playing at Yale. If his parents make over $300k it would likely be the same cost for either school ($55k per year). But, if the parents make less, it will cost his parents substantially more for him to play football at Stanford (unless he is awarded an athletic scholarship down the road). Bottom line: for middle to low income parents, Yale is a much better deal than being a walk on at other private scholarship institutions like Stanford.
The bottom line part is true: 'FOR MIDDLE TO LOW INCOME PARENTS, YALE IS A BETTER DEAL' , but from personal experience, IF a student at anytime can obtain a scholarship during his/her education, it would be more than worth it to go that route! My son is currently a football player ... we do make less than $200,000, but qualify for only $13,000 worth of financial aid. There is much more to the formula than just income...tax returns, current income, any holdings, and other personal worth are all part of the equation. Financial aid is aimed to help those who can't afford the total cost of tuition... but it doesn't promise to cover the entire cost. A "preferred walk-on" athlete (at a school which gives athletic scholarships) could qualify for financial aid also, until he/she received a scholarship...at which point, the scholarship would cancel out all financial aid, and they would have free tuition. But, you're right, we don't know his financial situation. In the long run, if he is choosing Stanford over Yale for this reason, I would think he could come out ahead, if he attained a scholarship down the road, or it could be a wash financially. However, as other posters have stated, "whatever the reason, it must have been pretty compelling" ...Stanford being an equally good academic institution comparable to Yale, but having "better coaching, much better/bigger football and much better weather"... our loss. Let's look forward to a better football season, with better attendance and fewer injuries!! Go Bulldogs!!
A VERY BIG DISAPPOINTMENT FOR YALE FOOTBALL. WHO IS NEXT TO DECOMMIT?
ReplyDeleteSon, if you are getting financial aid at Yale and you passed that up to walk-on at Stanford, you are a bigger fool than your 220lb frame. Never ever give up the bird in hand for none in the bush. Hope this is not a very expensive lesson for you and your family?
ReplyDeletesounds like you're pretty upset about losing him?
ReplyDeletedoubt he had a "bird in the hand"- financial aid at Yale is hard to qualify for, unless of course, you make less than $100,000...
If he is good enough for Stanford, he would have been bored with Yale football. Unfortunately, it's going to take us a couple of years to get things going. Sure, we are disappointed he left and yes, he could have made an impact, but what do we do about it? Let's be classy. wish the kid well, and move on. You certainly don't sound like someone associated with Yale or Yale football. We're better than that.
Who can blame the kid, he had some great choices and he chose to spend the next 4 years
Quite honestly, you're the one sounding like a "fool".
ReplyDeleteWe have a great class of kids- 29 freshman, at least half of them are probably great athletes.
Both, Yale and Stanford have great endowments,(Stanford by the way, just raised $1.035 Billion in fundraising last year). If the kid qualified for financial aid at Yale, he also will qualify for financial aid at Stanford. Let's be honest, all Yale football players are essentially "preferred walk ons", there are no Ivy League athletic scholarships available. Essentially, every athlete at an Ivy League is a "preferred walk on" and every preferred walk on can apply for financial aid. Before you judge others and make us all look bad, get the facts straight.
Good luck to Chandler. I really liked his closing speed and I really wanted him to be a Bulldog, but we don't have to be jerks about it. Let's be happy for the kids we have and let's hope for a better season!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't every Ivy League athlete a "preferred walk on"? Unless I'm missing something, there are NO athletic scholarships given, only financial aid, if they qualify.
ReplyDeleteWho knows, maybe he has a chance at a scholarship from Stanford down the road, or better financial aid? But, who knows? Whatever the reason, it must have been pretty compelling. Regardless, we probably wouldn't be losing guys if we had a winning team.
Go Bulldogs!
He opted for better weather, better coaching and much better football at an equally good academic institution.
ReplyDeleteThe 3:17 comment must have been from an sad sack. As said by another in this string, does not act like someone (who should be)associated with Yale football.
Nothing like $250K+ in debt for your education to change your opinion. If a Yale and Stanford education are viewed as equal then it is a no brainer where you should go. Show me the money! Those that disagree I would be happy to take the money off your hands!
ReplyDeleteOf course, a Yale/Stanford/(Harvard) education are worth it. (This isn't the debate.) Many graduates start out with entry level jobs paying $120,000...it won't take too long to pay off college debt at that rate. The connections these student athletes make, the knowledge that they gain and the fact that they can handle academics and a college level sport, helps them achieve greatness in life! I have nothing but admiration for kids who strive to become their best. Let's face it, any kid who's admitted into this caliber of school (Yale/Stanford/Harvard/etc...) and is also committed to play a sport is a high caliber kid!
ReplyDeleteBlah, Blah ... The reason Ivy graduates get good paying jobs is because the majority come from higher income backgrounds and connections to daddy's company network. Stop being foolish, the stuff they learn at school is the same stuff that is taught at every school. Money is a huge factor in the lives of those that have little or none! To advise those with marginal means to get in pretty serious debt is just plain wrong!
ReplyDeleteWell, you're right. There is a place for everyone. This might not be the place for you, or for those that can't qualify academically. This year, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, have had record numbers of applicants. The admittance rates range from 5.7-7.1%...so, obviously, these schools are highly selective. Most who apply (93-95%) do not get in...Therefore, the vast majority of people you are worried about will not attend.
ReplyDeleteBut, the topic, before it was hijacked, was on student athletes...how it became diverted to the "haves vs the have nots" will remain a mystery!!
Apparently, there's someone bitter over the fact that premium education comes with a premium price tag. Like I said, these schools aren't for everyone. That's why we live in a great country that offers state colleges, community colleges and on line colleges. Take your pick!
A few facts: 1) Yale's financial aid is intended to allow students to graduate with zero debt. A parent's contribution is based on a formula that determines what they can afford to pay. If the parents make less than $60k per year there is no cost to attend Yale. Parents earning $200k per year pay around $20k per year. 2) a recruited athlete cannot receive financial aid and play on the football team. Many preferred walk-ons are not technically recruited so could receive financial aid. Once they actually play in a game they would count against the school's scholarship allotment. Not knowing this kid's financial situation we cannot know what the financial cost is for him to walk on at Stanford vs. playing at Yale. If his parents make over $300k it would likely be the same cost for either school ($55k per year). But, if the parents make less, it will cost his parents substantially more for him to play football at Stanford (unless he is awarded an athletic scholarship down the road). Bottom line: for middle to low income parents, Yale is a much better deal than being a walk on at other private scholarship institutions like Stanford.
ReplyDeleteThe bottom line part is true: 'FOR MIDDLE TO LOW INCOME PARENTS, YALE IS A BETTER DEAL' , but from personal experience, IF a student at anytime can obtain a scholarship during his/her education, it would be more than worth it to go that route! My son is currently a football player ... we do make less than $200,000, but qualify for only $13,000 worth of financial aid. There is much more to the formula than just income...tax returns, current income, any holdings, and other personal worth are all part of the equation. Financial aid is aimed to help those who can't afford the total cost of tuition... but it doesn't promise to cover the entire cost. A "preferred walk-on" athlete (at a school which gives athletic scholarships) could qualify for financial aid also, until he/she received a scholarship...at which point, the scholarship would cancel out all financial aid, and they would have free tuition. But, you're right, we don't know his financial situation. In the long run, if he is choosing Stanford over Yale for this reason, I would think he could come out ahead, if he attained a scholarship down the road, or it could be a wash financially. However, as other posters have stated, "whatever the reason, it must have been pretty compelling" ...Stanford being an equally good academic institution comparable to Yale, but having "better coaching, much better/bigger football and much better weather"... our loss.
ReplyDeleteLet's look forward to a better football season, with better attendance and fewer injuries!!
Go Bulldogs!!